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If I wanna try this to use on a P600..do I download the 'Epson' version or the regular v10?

If I wanna try this to use on a P600..do I download the 'Epson' version or the regular v10?

17 minutes ago, WDeBlase said:

Where did you see this black powder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkdKDSQm1qc

6 hours ago, johnson4 said:

 

I hadn’t used, shaken, cleaned or maintained the printer in 3 weeks. Shook the carts well, did two head cleans and this came out. Unimaginable with DTG due to clogging/drying out. 

 

 

 

That's amazing! Did you intentionally not use the printer to see how it will perform without maintenance?

By the way, if you're only printing on white tees..do you still need a white underbase? Will the hotmelt powder stick to the cmyk ink?  Also have you tried 'storing' printed transfers yet for later use?

6 hours ago, johnson4 said:

I actually have a print that i didn't powder, and it's been over 2 weeks and it still isn't dry..

It was a concern of mine too, but isn't really anymore. I'm going with the p400 because CMYK+W all need shaken, they all settle to some degree. Using the p400 will make it super easy to shake, clean, maintain the printer with no waste at all. Easy to run a set of cleaning carts with it to clean the head. I noticed with the P800 if I didn't print often it settled pretty quickly, like DTG inks. With how little DTF uses, the 18ML carts on the P400 make the most sense. I printed over 30 with the 10ml carts ( like 8x10 prints) before it needed refilled. So I'd imagine the 18ML will yield almost double that. I've got two sets with ink in them, and one set for cleaning. Works great, no waste, no worrying about the head or cleaning it really. 

I also don't need an output tray. you know that " thick media" feeder on the front that lifts the rollers? I took that out and disabled the sensor. Leave the front open for the thick media, boom, built in output tray that holds the film perfectly

 

I forgot to mention, i do wipe down the wiper every now and again. 

wow two weeks? that's a long time for it to not dry. so does that mean these dtf inks are not really water-based?  by the way what's the percentage of your ink laydown? especially for the white? I'd imagine it shouldn't be 100%.

The thing i'm concerned about which i'm not sure has been talked about enough is the cleaning and maintenance.  Since these DTF printers are basically 'closed' with no easy access to the bottom of the printhead as you would with a dtg printer. You will need to disassemble the printer just to check the bottom of the print head.

Do dtf inks behave like dtg inks?  For people who have been doing this for a few weeks now, are they less prone to build up and clogging the print head?

I don't believe you can truly print vibrant neon colors with dtg/dtf. When I did screenprinting i used to buy special neon inks for that purpose. 

I found this color chart online (attached). Just print it and press on a shirt and pick the closest one in photoshop with the color picker to use with your artwork that closely matches your preference.  This way you don't waste film and minimize trial and error sample runs too.

the modified printer from Hobby Print was retrofitted with a level platform on the output tray. Is that really necessary? Will the slightly angled built-in epson tray ruin the print?

Can you do hot peel with it? I think that would produce a softer hand right?

looks good!  did you have to modify and remove anything inside the p600 like the rollers in that L1800 dtf video?

also for the transfers, do you think  you can store and use them for a later time?

Hey Andy, what about ink maintenance? Are DTF inks easier on the printhead? Do you need to shake the white too to prevent separation? I was google translating the comments on that Hobby Print video and I think I remember him saying DTF inks clog less.

17 minutes ago, Andy - Admin said:

I’ve only done 1 wash so far and it’s fine. 
 

A trusted customer of mine has been using the supplies I have for a couple months with good results. 

Yes we will be selling the DTF supplies, I already have some inventory and will list it in the online store after a bit more testing.

DTF Ink prices will match our DTG ink prices. 
 

I see DTF as another decorating option that will work for some people and not others. 

besides changing the ink/cartridges..what other modifications do you need to do to a standard epson printer?  Can you feed the film as is? or do we have to modify so that its a flatbed feed like with dtg?

1 hour ago, Andy - Admin said:

I spent all day today printing with DTF inks, film, etc. 

I think the biggest advantage is you can slightly modify an Epson desktop printer and run the sheets through so cost to enter will be lower than DTG since you won’t need add on electronics or a platen system. 
 

Per print will be more expensive than DTG because of the film costs especially on white shirts. Also, it feels a bit like a “iron on” transfer. 

 I don’t think it’s a DTG killer as some are hyping it to be. It has many of the same limitations that other transfer processes have. 

Hey Andy did you test washability? Also will you be carrying DTF stuff (inks, films etc)?

so you can do transfers with regular dtg ink?  I screen print but never dabbled with transfers.  what is the powder they use and the specific transfer paper?

looks like they're already experimenting with plastisol based inks in Indonesia..I wonder if this will be a thing and eventually come to US shores. The heat transfer method seems like it will be very durable washability-wise. It looks like traditional plastisol screen-print. very tedious process though.

Also, curious to see if this ink is easier on the printheads since plastisol doesn't air dry.